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艾伦对决法罗

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主演:伍迪·艾伦,米娅·法罗,罗南·法罗,迪伦·奥沙利文·法罗

类型:美剧地区:美国语言:英语年份:2021

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 1 ) 一代PUA大师,伍迪·艾伦

男艺术家需要女性扮演三种不同的角色:贤惠的妻子、风骚的情人和灵感缪斯,分别承担维系稳定的家庭、满足肉体的欲望和提供创作灵感的作用。这在费里尼带有自传性质的电影(比如《八部半》)里有清晰的表现。如果幸运,这三重角色将降临在同一位女性身上,如果不是,男艺术家就会出轨,不断寻找情人和缪斯。

归根结底,男艺术家都是自私的人,他唯一信奉的是艺术,其他所有一切都可以为艺术而牺牲,自然包括女人。从常理上看,道德伦常只会阻碍他的艺术创作。于是,他需要越过道德规范,从而将一切越矩的经验转化为创作的素材,最终进入作品之中。我们不清楚男人是不是都是坏东西,但我们很清楚男艺术家里没有好东西。

只有少数天才能够被允许逾越道德,因为天才的责任在于提供观察世界的崭新方式,这将受益于全人类。天才的才能是属于全体人类的宝藏,而非他私有。因此,人品和作品应该分开看待。强奸犯波兰斯基和恋童癖伍迪艾伦,是坐实的事实;我们在人品上可以鄙夷他们;但对于作品,我们需要一视同仁。因为,艺术是无辜的。

 2 ) 此片,让我想起了当年的迈克尔杰克逊事件和《狩猎》

突然想起了当年的迈克尔杰克逊猥亵儿童事件

记得当年那个卑鄙无耻的男童诬陷迈克尔杰克逊猥亵他,导致迈克尔杰克逊的事业走入低谷。

麦克杰克逊含冤死后多年,真相才大白,那个男童当年只是为了从麦克手里骗取天价和解金。

还有那个电影《狩猎》,男主角因为拒绝的女童的爱意,就被女童诬陷猥亵她,导致男主角社死。

男人在外面一定要小心,有些事情你是解释不清楚的。

尤其是不要和儿童在非监控区域独处,千万要小心

人性本恶...............

 3 ) 当宣传武器隐藏在“记录电影”之下

当我们生活的年代可以通过“你说,他/她说,我说”,来给一个人下有罪判决书,当我们生活的年代可以否决那些背叛普世价值观的人应有的权利时,当我们在舆论大浪里随波逐流,兴奋地口沫横飞声讨所有“不道德”时,请记住,你手里这把锋利的尖刀,在今天是你杀死他人的工具,也可以在明天也可以成为他人毁灭你的武器。

Woody Allen和Mia Farrow就未成年子女的抚养权争夺而引发的一系列丑闻,早在九十年代就是各家媒体争相报道挖搅过的新闻。这么多报道看下来,会让人发现事件里有太多的复杂面,而各家媒体的报道往往是偏袒男方或者女方角度而出发的。终于,我等到了HBO关于此事件的纪录片。因为HBO过去纪录片剧集的一贯高水准,我抱着能够看到对于整个事件没有偏袒,冷静深刻剖析的期待开始追剧。

然而,很快我意识到整个剧情是由既定Woody Allen猥亵养女成立,从事件主角之一的Mia Farrow的视角展开。因为早前看多过很多被Mia Farrow领养的孩子讲述和她生活的经历,我很难带入到Mia Farrow母爱无私的视角里。

Mia Farrow是14个孩子的母亲,这其中4个是自己生的,10个是领养的。以下是几位被Mia领养仍在世的孩子对他们的童年的回忆。

Soon Yi,Woody Allen的现任妻子,这样回忆她的童年:

"When Soon-Yi was a girl, she says, Farrow asked her to make a tape about her origins, detailing how she’d been the daughter of a prostitute who beat her. The request puzzled her, Soon-Yi says, since she had no memory of anything like that, so she refused.

From then on, things got worse, in Soon-Yi’s telling, though a family spokesperson refuted all her memories of physical abuse, neglect, or showing favoritism to one child over another.

Soon-Yi remembers, for instance, the first bath that Farrow gave her, in a Korean hotel room, as traumatic. “I’d never taken a bath by myself, because in the orphanage it was a big tub and we all got in it. Here, it was for a single person, and I was scared to get in the water by myself. So instead of doing what you would do with an infant — you know, maybe get into the water, put some toys in, put your arm in to show that you’re fine, it’s not dangerous — she just kind of threw me in.

Despite the pastoral tranquillity, Soon-Yi says, she felt achingly unhappy, a state of affairs that was not helped by Mia’s and André’s “bone-chilling tempers” or by Mia’s playing favorites. “There was a hierarchy — she didn’t try to hide it, and Fletcher was the star, the golden child,” she says. “Mia always valued intelligence and also looks, blond hair and blue eyes.” Soon-Yi had arrived without knowing a word of English, and Mia was impatient with her new daughter’s learning curve. “She tried to teach me the alphabet with those wooden blocks. If I didn’t get them right, sometimes she’d throw them at me or down on the floor. Who can learn under that pressure?

The family first lived on Martha’s Vineyard, where Soon-Yi remembers an incident in which she was excluded from playing in a paddling pool with the younger children. She “maneuvered” her way in, Soon-Yi says, and when Lark got hurt, “maybe slipped or something,” Farrow rounded on her, yelling, “Look what you’ve done! You never listen! I should send you to an insane asylum!” As Soon-Yi puts it, “I was shaking. I was so scared I thought she was actually going to put me in an insane asylum — and I understood what it meant.

Mia used to write words on my arm, which was humiliating, so I’d always wear long-sleeved shirts. She would also tip me upside down, holding me by my feet, to get the blood to drain to my head. Because she thought — or she read it, God knows where she came up with the notion — that blood going to my head would make me smarter or something.” Farrow also resorted, as Soon-Yi describes it, to “arbitrarily showing her power”: slapping Soon-Yi across the face and spanking her with a hairbrush or calling her “stupid” and “moronic.” Sometimes, according to Soon-Yi, Farrow lost it completely, as when she threw a porcelain rabbit that her mother had given her at Soon-Yi (“She never really liked it,” Soon-Yi wryly observes. “That’s probably why she threw it at me”), smashing it to pieces and startling both of them. “I could see from the expression on her face that she felt she had gone too far. Because it could have really hurt me.” - (//www.vulture.com/2018/09/soon-yi-previn-speaks.html)

Moses Farrow, 上图戴眼镜的男孩

Mia另一位收养儿子Moses Farrow回忆:

“It was important to my mother to project to the world a picture of a happy blended household of both biological and adopted children, but this was far from the truth. I’m sure my mother had good intentions in adopting children with disabilities from the direst of circumstances, but the reality inside our walls was very different. It pains me to recall instances in which I witnessed siblings, some blind or physically disabled, dragged down a flight of stairs to be thrown into a bedroom or a closet, then having the door locked from the outside. She even shut my brother Thaddeus, paraplegic from polio, in an outdoor shed overnight as punishment for a minor transgression.

Soon-Yi was her most frequent scapegoat. My sister had an independent streak and, of all of us, was the least intimidated by Mia. When pushed, she would call our mother out on her behavior and ugly arguments would ensue. When Soon-Yi was young, Mia once threw a large porcelain centerpiece at her head. Luckily it missed, but the shattered pieces hit her legs. Years later, Mia beat her with a telephone receiver. Soon-Yi’s made it clear that her desire was simply to be left alone, which increasingly became the case. Even if her relationship with Woody was unconventional, it allowed her to escape. Others weren’t so lucky.

Most media sources claim my sister Tam died of “heart failure” at the age of 21. In fact, Tam struggled with depression for much of her life, a situation exacerbated by my mother refusing to get her help, insisting that Tam was just “moody.” One afternoon in 2000, after one final fight with Mia, which ended with my mother leaving the house, Tam committed suicide by overdosing on pills. My mother would tell others that the drug overdose was accidental, saying that Tam, who was blind, didn’t know which pills she was taking. But Tam had both an ironclad memory and sense of spatial recognition. And, of course, blindness didn’t impair her ability to count.

The details of Tam’s overdose and the fight with Mia that precipitated it were relayed directly to me by my brother Thaddeus, a first-hand witness. Tragically, he is no longer able to confirm this account. Just two years ago, Thaddeus also committed suicide by shooting himself in his car, less than 10 minutes from my mother’s house.

My sister Lark was another fatality. She wound up on a path of self-destruction, struggled with addiction, and eventually died in poverty from AIDS-related causes in 2008 at age 35.

For all of us, life under my mother’s roof was impossible if you didn’t do exactly what you were told, no matter how questionable the demand.” - (http://mosesfarrow.blogspot.com/2018/05/a-son-speaks-out-by-moses-farrow.html

如果舆论告诉我们Woody Allen是可怕的恋童癖,强奸犯,我们要抵制所有他的电影,要声讨所有仍然愿意跟他合作的演员,更要用这种大潮淹没所有仍然为Woody Allen出来辩护的人。那么这是仿佛可以代替法院的作用来给人判罪的力量。是否有污点的人,不配拥有做人的基本权利,有污点的艺术家,更不配再有创作的自由。我想想那句老生常谈的“ Separating art from artist" ,诚然“艺术”不应该是保护犯罪行为的托词,同时“艺术家”的身份也不该是代表高尚道德的楷模。

作为女性,我为自己生活的时代感到幸运。因为这个时代给了女性群体更多的空间和权利,因此我有了相比上几代女性更多的生活选择。然而当看到某种政治正确大潮正在席卷而来要消灭所有不同的声音时,我不禁觉得背脊发凉,这又会不会是一个时代悲歌的前奏?

Woody Allen有罪与否,我在看了很多从双方角度的资料后仍然没法给自己一个定论。我只知道,从小到大在我心里那些搂着跟自己子女年龄相仿小女友的中老年男人,难免都散发着油腻和恶臭。但他的私生活并不会让我觉得《蓝色茉莉》或者《午夜巴塞罗那》这些电影变成了劣质的作品。Woody Allen是我从少年时代一直喜欢的导演,如果未来他仍然有机会拍电影,我想我还是会去看。倘若有天有从Woody Allen没有犯罪角度制作的记录片/宣传片,我也会抱着尽量客观的心态来看。

而那些因为种种原因被原生家庭抛弃又再被Mia Farrow领养的亚裔孩子们,就像小猫小狗一样被领养,被嫌弃,然后再在媒体上被渲染成那些白人养父母的善心产物。有多少主流媒体,有多少人在意过他们的声音,他们的呼救呢?看着电影里把Mia像天使老母亲一样描绘,我不由地感觉不适。如果说记录电影带着某种社会责任,我想那应该是作品核心努力把持的一杆秤。很遗憾,看完这部由HBO精致制作的“纪录片”,我恍然大悟自己其实看的是宣传片。2009年,Mia的亲弟弟饮弹自尽。2013年,Mia的哥哥因为性侵两名男童入狱十年 (//www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/mia-farrows-brother-to-be-sentenced-for-sex-abuse/1957532/)。我想,不幸的童年就像是一种瘟疫在一个家族里生根蔓延,而那些被领养的孩子存在在这个家庭的最底层生命像野草一样消亡,无人问津。看罢,我唯一的结论是,儿童领养,特别是发达国家对非发达国家儿童的领养,应该有非常严格的审核方式,毕竟不是所有人都有资质为人父母。

说到HBO的记录剧集,我最后不得不推荐《纽约灾星》(//movie.douban.com/subject/26292143/

 4 ) Diamond heart

这个周末终于把HBO的纪录片Allen vs farrow看完了,感慨良多。

从小都是伍迪艾伦粉丝,那些青春岁月曾花好长的时间集中看他的片子,安妮霍尔,曼哈顿,呆头鹅,开罗紫玫瑰,午夜巴黎。他的电影有知识分子神经质的话痨,有最天马行空的想象,有对人类情绪最犀利敏锐的洞察与描述,有纽约城市的喧嚣骚动,还有那份伍迪艾伦式的幽默。在那个只爱看欧洲文艺片的年代,伍迪艾伦就是美国有深度有思考还有趣电影的唯一代表,所以当metoo中打倒伍迪的口号弥漫全网时,内心是惋惜与愤慨,毕竟阻止人类的天才拍电影是最残酷的事,也是属于他粉丝的遗憾。

而这部深度调查的纪录片,让我从头至尾地回顾了事件经过。这个事件的复杂与多层次多面向是我之前没意识到的。

当事人无论是dylan还是mia Farrow都在强调他们自己都不愿意相信这是真的。Mia Farrow说大众当然不会相信伍迪艾伦会做这样的事,因为她自己也不愿意相信,这是一个她深爱的男人。每一个孩子都回忆到伍迪艾伦是个多么慈爱有趣的父亲。Dylan自己说:你怎么能相信这个性侵犯你的人,是那个会牵着你的手散步的人,是总会把你高高抱起的人,是会给你讲睡前故事的人。以至于家庭分崩离析后,总后悔自己是不是不该告发伍迪艾伦,这样才能保全一个完整的家庭。而Mia Farrow也同样不断给伍迪艾伦的行为找借口使其合理化,这都是多么常见的受害者心理。

Ellen 和 mia farrow之间不仅是家庭纠纷,更是在工作场所的abuse. 因为他们长期的金钱利益工作绑定, 伍迪艾伦利用职场关系孤立Mia Farrow, 打压她的自信,告诉她,你不会再在美国接到任何电影角色。

而对公众而言,相信一个因夫妻关系不合而情绪失控编造教唆女儿起诉父亲比相信父亲是性骚犯实在是容易太多。更重要的是,公众总倾向于相信有权有势胜利者的一方。

Mia Farrow结尾说”I am still scared of him. He is a person who has no allegiance to truth; a person will do anything is somebody to be scared of"

伍迪艾伦太明白what matters is not what happened, but what people believed.

纪录片里,印象最深刻的是,他冷酷无情的说,“ I will just let them carry on, I will not let a bad call sacrific my precious work time ” 艺术家果真都是极端自私的== 而一个integrity, kindness, good human-being 这些moral values在这个年代有时比才华横溢甚至更吸引人。

 5 ) Beg to Differ

这其实是一部名不副实的纪录片,艾伦对决法罗,但是内容全是法罗一边倒的意见。没有采访到Woody。查新闻说这部纪录片联系到Woody夫妇了,但是只给了距上线两个星期的时间让他们回应。所以他们没有回应。

即使是只采访了Farrow一方,Farrow的展示也远远谈不上全面。Farrow收养了14个孩子,其中三个已经过世。一个养女有偷窃成瘾的病,后来因为服毒过量自杀,一个养子自杀,另一个养女长期抑郁症因为心脏病去世,也有调查认为是自杀。Farrow的弟弟在她家附近自杀,哥哥因为猥亵儿童入狱,父亲曾经猥亵她的三个兄弟。这些全都有记录在案,这部纪录片全都有意的忽略了。另外,2018年#Metoo运动在美国起来以前,Farrow一直在为波兰斯基猥亵13岁少女辩护,直到2018年突然改了风向去跟这位曾经的少女道歉。这个细节纪录片也是没提的。

我理解为什么Natalie Portman坚定地说她相信Dylan,大概多数的女人看到影片中的Dylan都会选择相信她。童年时候的伤痛,时至今日谈起来还双唇颤抖。身为女性大多数人都可以感同身受吧。谁能说这辈子都没有过咸湿手的经历?那种恶心和痛苦女人都懂。但是人的记忆往往是不可靠的,尤其是童年时的记忆。拿我自己来说,我最清楚的童年记忆之一是我小时候去北京的医院看病重住院的姥姥。但是后来我妈说那是不可能的,因为姥姥病重的时候他们根本就没有带我去北京,我之前去过北京,但是那时候姥姥并没有住院。我一点不怀疑Dylan认为她说的是真话,也觉得Dylan长大的过程一定很艰难。但是事实究竟是怎样的呢?

想知道故事的另外一边,于是我去读了Woody Allen的自传Apropos of Nothing (其实是一部很平实很Woody风格的书,但是因为美国的出版商要“政治正确”,要“同性侵受害者”站在一起,所以这本书很长时间都没能在美国出版),Woody在这本书里详细写了1992年夏天这件事发生的前因后果和当天的情形。我后来又去了Woody养子Moses的博客看。Moses现在是一名执证的家庭心理咨询师。Moses这段话可以注意一下。

To those who have become convinced of my father’s guilt, I ask you to consider this: In this time of #MeToo, when so many movie heavyweights have faced dozens of accusations, my father has been accused of wrongdoing only once, by an enraged ex-partner during contentious custody negotiations. During almost 60 years in the public eye, not one other person has come forward to accuse him of even behaving badly on a date, or acting inappropriately in any professional situation, let alone molesting a child. As a trained professional, I know that child molestation is a compulsive sickness and deviation that demands repetition. Dylan was alone with Woody in his apartment countless times over the years without a hint of impropriety, yet some would have you believe that at the age of 56, he suddenly decided to become a child molester in a house full of hostile people ordered to watch him like a hawk.

http://mosesfarrow.blogspot.com/2018/05/a-son-speaks-out-by-moses-farrow.html

事发当天Frog Hollow(Farrow的康州别墅)有三个成年人,一屋子孩子,所有人都被交代说要把Woody看紧了,然而如果Woody还是决定在众目睽睽之下去猥亵Dylan,从心理学的角度来看那他肯定得是有性瘾,或是强迫症,这样的行为必然是重复性的。但是Woody在公众视野下生活了60年,在Metoo如此严格的背景, 这么多人悍跳的社会背景下,除了Dylan一例,从来没有收到任何的投诉。这件事的不合逻辑就在这里了。

最后提一下,Farrow因为替波兰斯基辩护而去道歉的当年13岁少女Samantha Geimer,回复Farrow的道歉推特的时候是这么说的,

You need not be sorry. People support their friends. I understood that at 14 and took no offense to the many letters. I never needed the belief of strangers to validate my truth. Roman and my family reconciled long ago, I wish he and his family nothing but happiness.”

//www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/i-read-woody-allen-memoir/612736/

Dylan, hope one day you could unchain yourself from the monster (be it Woody or the memory of Woody), and wish him nothing but happiness, too.

 6 ) Reddit 网友Gumdropland评价搬运

I grew up in a similar situation as Dylan. My mom most likely has borderline personality disorder, and I was sexually abused by my dad at the same age of seven. She had sole custody, but I saw him on the weekends. It was a similar scenario.This is what I can offer to help understand the situation:

1)Memories of sexual abuse are tricky, especially at seven or below. They are fuzzier than older children due to the nature of the trauma. Research shows at around seven kids can recall them better; it explains why they are so upsetting but maybe a bit disconjointed for dylan

2) You can have a mom with bpd and a father who sexually abused you

3) Just because courts or the investigators didn’t convict him doesn’t mean he is innocent. In all of my family’s domestic and court issues my mom always looked like the crazy one, when my dad always seemed calm and together. In fact although my mom was more like Mia and a bit untethered at times she truly tried to protect me, when my dad in fact was the truth sociopath. Make a woman helpless to help her children and you will see what you get.

4) As a teacher, it’s really gross to see woody being defended for marrying his stepdaughter. First of all, she could be a wonderful woman, but what many might not know here is that is a very common reaction to trauma- fight flight flee or fawn. If she had trouble with Mia at all it makes total sense she would fawn the man grooming her at that age. There really is no defense. It’s gross even if it cannot be considered true sexual abuse, it shows a certain pattern(不管怎么样这一点真的也是take advantage的感觉太强烈了,不犯法是一回事,这个pattern在他电影里,油嘴滑舌劝那些年轻女孩经历老男人再找年轻的把责任都往年轻女孩身上扔调调真的不是太ok,让人想到马男bojack和那个小鹿,还有教师情事里年轻人当时都觉得是自己想要的情愿的,但是等回过头都......)

5) Lastly, has no one learned from Nassar? Woody shares many of the same traits. The fact he wanted nothing to do with Mia’s children but MARRIES one shows a disconcerting attempt to throw her off her guard.

6) I have experienced emotional, physical, and sexual abuse. They are all bad but nothing compares to the sexual abuse of a child. It’s kind of gross comparing Mia’s alleged bpd with possible sexual abuse of a minor.

7) Btw, it’s really hard to come forward with this kind of abuse as an adult...I have’t. I don’t think with all the coaching in the world that Dylan would come forward if she wasn’t 100% sure... would you want to be known for being sexually abused as a child? I sure dont

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缺乏伍迪视角?他给自己辩白地还少吗?那些照片不是他自己拍的吗?近几年来电影里面一直反复表达的萝莉情结是别人塞进他脑子里的吗?觉得他被动的可以看看他自己是怎么主动表达的,真相明显得不能再明显了。

7分钟前
  • Mira
  • 还行

没人care woody allen的视角

10分钟前
  • juice
  • 力荐